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Locutor 0 00:00:00 Bienvenidos a WPCoffeeTalk con su podcast barista Michelle Frechette. Un agradecimiento especial a nuestros patrocinadores WSS Forum y Beaver Builder. Si estás interesado en unirte a WP Coffee talk como invitado o patrocinador, por favor visita nuestro sitio en wpcoffeetalk.com y ahora continúa con el programa.

Speaker 1 00:00:20 Welcome back to the next episode of WPCoffeeTalk. I’m your podcast barista Michelle Frechette, and as the intro says, I’m serving up WordPress stories from around the globe. Today I am very honored to have a good friend of mine as my guest, Nayasha Green. Nayasha is a software developer extraordinaire, and she also, um, has been working with me and Allie Nimmons on some stuff over at underrepresented in tech, some things that are coming out very soon. So if you’re watching this episode or listening to this episode when we first launched it, it’s not out yet, but keep an eye on it and if you’re listening to it as evergreen content a year from now, we hope you loved it, <laugh>. But anyway, Nayasha, thanks for joining me today. How are you?

Orador 2 00:01:02 Me va bien. ¿Cómo estás, Michelle?

Speaker 1 00:01:05 <laugh> I’m good, thanks. It’s, uh, it’s seven. We’re both in the same time zone, which is nice. Yeah, it’s 7:15 PM on a Thursday night. Uh, Thursday. Yeah, this Thursday night. Oh my gosh. This week’s been crazy. And, uh, yeah, it’s, and I turned on my furnace, so There you go. <laugh>. It’s freezing. What? I’m so cold. Oh, wow. It’s like 65 degrees outside and I’m freezing, so

Orador 2 00:01:27 Esa es la temperatura perfecta para mí. Es como, ha sido como 89 hoy aquí, así que sí,

Orador 1 00:01:32 Es, vas a querer traer una chaqueta cuando vengas a trabajar al Campamento Rochester, sin embargo. porque el 30 de septiembre va a refrescar.

Orador 2 00:01:37 Vale, genial. Me encanta el otoño. Así que..,

Speaker 1 00:01:39 <laugh>, make a, make a note. Make a note. <laugh>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do.

Speaker 2 00:01:45 Yeah, so I am a software developer and I work primarily in WordPress. I’m also an instructor for LinkedIn Learning. Um, I have my course on blocks coming out, uh, probably the beginning of next year. Um, I am a mentor. I have over 40 mentees. I am trying to help get into tech all over the world. Um, I am the co-marketing rep for the Make Marketing team. So I am a WordPress contributor as well. And I am also a co-organizer for our Columbia South Carolina WordPress Meetup group. Woo. I’m co co co <laugh> of a lot of things, <laugh>. Um, so I do a lot. I do it all.

Speaker 1 00:02:25 So when you have co in front of your title all over the place, it just made me think of like when you used to get the, um, the report cards mm-hmm. <affirmative>, when you’re a kid, it says works well with others, so you must work well with others, which is a good thing. I do

Speaker 2 00:02:37 <laugh>. Yeah, I do. I get to work with you at, uh, u I T so that’s fun too. So, yeah.

Orador 1 00:02:43 Todo eso es bueno. Sí, seguro. Háblanos de tu taza y de lo que hay en ella hoy.

Orador 2 00:02:48 Mi taza es una taza inspirada. Me encantan los que yo ese día de fiesta. Um, me encanta, puedo, soy, hablo español. Um, así que Bueno. Me encanta la cultura española y me encanta, um, este día de fiesta en particular. Y me encanta las hermosas decoraciones escolares que se obtiene.

Orador 1 00:03:08 Sí, me encanta. Es precioso.

Orador 2 00:03:10 Esta noche estoy bebiendo té verde porque esta semana ha sido larga y ya casi es viernes,

Orador 1 00:03:15 Casi casi viernes.

Orador 2 00:03:16 Sustitúyelo por vodka. Hay

Speaker 1 00:03:18 You go. <laugh>. I know that feeling. Okay. So my, um, my mug I have today, I don’t think I’ve used it on the show before. It is a friend of mine <laugh>, and when the Wordle craze went crazy mm-hmm. <affirmative> created a little shop. Now it’s not technically Wordle ’cause it’s four letter words instead of five letter words. And if you are easily offended, look away now. But this is my mug,

Speaker 2 00:03:41 <laugh>.

Orador 1 00:03:43 Y si estás escuchando, dice Tank corn, sick duck, y luego la palabra con F al final, donde todo es verde. Me encanta. ¿No es divertido? Y tengo Té de menta en mi taza esta noche. Así que bebiendo contigo. Cuéntanos, ¿cómo empezaste en WordPress?

Orador 2 00:04:00 Así que yo, eh, estaba aprendiendo a codificar por mi cuenta en primer lugar. Uh, yo era autodidacta a través de código libre campamento en, uh, código libre campamento org, que es grande, fenomenal, uh, lugar para todo el mundo para aprender a codificar de forma gratuita. Y luego me metí en un programa, um, no es una cosa más, pero era un programa y se puso en marcha específicamente para cerrar la brecha entre las personas subrepresentadas, um, y el status quo en la tecnología. Así que entré en el programa y obtuve una beca completa para aprender código, y luego también me organizaron unas prácticas donde aprendí el desarrollo de WordPress.

Orador 1 00:04:34 Eso está muy bien. ¿Cuánto tiempo hace de eso?

Speaker 2 00:04:39 Four years now. Four. Okay. Five. What year is it? <laugh>, almost five years. Oh my god. <laugh>

Speaker 1 00:04:46 Time does fly, that’s for sure. <laugh>. Yeah. That’s awesome. Um, when you look at websites, whether they’re stuff that we’ve built, you’ve built whoever’s built, but when you look across like the web universe mm-hmm. <affirmative>, what’s something that you think that we as web builders don’t focus enough attention on or skip altogether that would actually make, um, our websites better user experience for those people who are site visitors?

Speaker 2 00:05:12 Uh, I know this is probably a common one, but accessibility. Yeah. And the reason I’m saying accessibility is one, because we want to make our websites accessible for everybody. You want as many people as possible to be able to visit and use your website. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but also a good point that is constantly being brought up. And I heard it recently again, doing one of the u I t, um, talks. If you make a page or a website accessible, everybody benefits, not just people who may need extra accessibility. Yeah. Uh, software or things like that, like everybody benefits. And, um, a specific thing that, uh, I didn’t know about until I got into deep into WordPress coding was like walls of text on pages mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it’s been coming up, especially in client conversations lately. Like, people are like, like, nobody’s reading this. And it’s like, it’s also bad for accessibility. So maybe if it was accessible, you know, you could kill two birds with one stone. Sorry for that. That, uh, no

Speaker 1 00:06:07 <laugh>,

Orador 2 00:06:07 Pero sí. Así que

Speaker 1 00:06:08 It’s definitely, we’re, we’re not really killing birds. It’s okay. The birds still live. <laugh> birds. Me too. Me too. Um, no, but that’s so true, right? So there’s, I used to, I’m not gonna name names and put throw anybody in the bus, but I used to use a pa a page builder that the default text was a gray. Now it’s a little like, not even, I wouldn’t even say charcoal gray, like a lighter, a little bit lighter than charcoal gray and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like, I mean, I’m not old, but I’m not young either. And has like, why is it like, it looks like it’s size eight font in like the faintest gray. Like, I, I need more than that <laugh> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, and if I visit your site and I can’t see it, I’m gonna open up the inspector, I’m gonna change the font color on every page that I look so I can actually read it.

Speaker 1 00:06:52 But not everybody knows how to do that. So I think that, you know, that you really hit the nail on the head that when you do make your site accessible, it everybody does benefit for sure. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and, and if you don’t think that you need personally, not you, but the, the site builder, um, needs any accommodations at this point, imagine yourself 30, 40, 50 years down the road where you wish you’ll wish that other people were taking that into account as well, because our eyes don’t last. Especially when you’re sharing, staring at a screen all day.

Orador 2 00:07:20 Oh, sí.

Orador 1 00:07:22 Correcto. Como un loco. Así que, sí. No, estoy de acuerdo contigo al cien por cien. Hay tantas cosas en las que todos deberíamos centrarnos, pero la accesibilidad debería estar absolutamente. Estar justo al principio de la lista.

Orador 2 00:07:30 Sí.

Orador 1 00:07:32 No sé cuánto tiempo llevas en el mundo de la tecnología, ¿verdad? Así que estamos hablando de WordPress tal vez cinco años. Um, ¿qué es algo que en su viaje, ya sea su viaje de negocios, su viaje WordPress, su viaje de codificación, ¿qué es algo que le gustaría haber sabido antes que habría hecho la vida mucho más fácil?

Speaker 2 00:07:53 Um, it’s a lot of things actually, but no, I wish that I would’ve known. I, I don’t wanna say how easier because it’s not easy. I wish I would’ve known how, how good and how how good WordPress WordPress tech makes it or web development makes it to start your own business. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I was somebody who’s, I’ve always been afraid of starting my own business. I’ve done freelance work, but it was usually still under the direction of somebody like, Hey, I have this project for you. It was never like, it was never like me controlling my own work. And I wish that I know I, I’d known sooner that I could control my own work myself, um, a lot sooner because I let myself be underpaid and undervalued in too many places. Mm-hmm. So that’s one thing I wish I would’ve known sooner.

Speaker 1 00:08:43 That makes a lot of sense. Um, I, I have told the story before, I don’t think I’ve told it in a while. You may not have heard it, but when I first started freelancing, I thought I was raking in the dough by charging $300 for an entire brochure website. Hmm. Like, and when somebody came to me and they said they needed a, an e-commerce site, I thought I was really making out when I charged ’em 500. And that was only 10 years ago. Like, it’s, it’s not that long ago. Right. I’m not talking about like, when the internet was first dawned upon. So Yeah, no <laugh> I agree. Not only could you make your own business, but having the, the, for the, the, I can’t think of the right word, but the, the foreknowledge or whatever to ev actually like, pick some people’s brains and find out what pricing is and mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 00:09:27 <affirmative> some of those things so that you don’t undermine yourself. ’cause it’s so easy, it’s easy to discount, it’s a lot harder to raise prices for people. Yes. Right. So mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Absolutely. Yeah. No, I’m with you on that. I think that’s a, that’s a good lesson for everybody. Like pay attention, right? <laugh>. Yes. When you think back over the WordPress events that you’ve attended, whether it’s um, you know, a word camp, a meetup, some other event, um, what is, like, if you think about some of the, your favorite word camp or meetup experiences, was there like one of those pivotal moments? I like to say like, the clouds opened and the birds sang and the angels were there with their little floppy wings and you were like, oh, okay. Maybe not that dramatic, but yeah. Was there <laugh>, what’s a moment that was really pivotal moment for you?

Speaker 2 00:10:12 That’s another question where I have a lot. So I, I was like, I have to narrow, narrow it down <laugh> and I wanna

Orador 1 00:10:17 Hablemos de, tenemos, tenemos tiempo,

Speaker 2 00:10:19 <laugh> <laugh>, I wanna talk about, uh, this recent work camp us. Um, so I’ve been to a few and this, I’ve never been like, I guess not in the right head space to be at one. I’ve always been really psyched for, I’ve always been really prepared. Um, but since I have gone through so much in the last few months, I was not really mentally prepared, um, for this word camp. And I think there were, there were two moments and they were kind of connected ’cause they, there was one person in common with both of them. But, um, I was trying to find my place in the WordPress community. I didn’t know if I still wanted to do development work because I did get laid off and I had really bad imposter syndrome. Um, but I didn’t know what else I could do. I could do, ’cause as you heard earlier, I do a lot <laugh>, but what I should do, and, um, I went to Aida Jackson’s talk, she’s wonderful by the way.

Speaker 2 00:11:16 And she was talking about like, you know, being a non-developer in the community and some of the things she touched on, they were things I just never really thought about. And it made me think, I don’t know if she knew this, but she made me think about all these incredible people in the community that are not just wearing multiple hats like I am, but they also have had the same trouble I’ve had. They’ve had imposter syndrome. They’ve been in rooms where they couldn’t understand things they’ve questioned jobs or things they’ve undergone. And she said, you know, it was, it was a simple thing. She said, people may think, but it really, like, I, I wanted to cry. I don’t know why I was so emotional during work <laugh>, but she said, um, you know, if anyone has ever told you that you don’t belong in this community, I’m here to tell you you do.

Orador 2 00:12:08 Y me alegro mucho de que estés aquí. Y lo dijo como, fue tan amistoso y natural. Como si no fuera como, oh, me alegro de que estés aquí, ya sabes, gracias por estar aquí. Uh, y eso fue realmente como, yo quería llorar y como, ella no sabe lo que todo lo que estaba pasando, pero yo estaba como, yo había estado cuestionando mi valor y el valor en esta comunidad durante tanto tiempo. Y eso realmente me ayudó. Y, um, almorcé con ella y su marido, William Great. Y um, y Robert, no puedo recordar el apellido de Robert. Él tiene el sombrero con las plumas, las plumas Wpu, uh,

Orador 1 00:12:38 Windish.

Speaker 2 00:12:39 Yes. He’s wonderful. We had a long conversation. Like we ate lunch and talked, I think for another like 30 minutes to a hour. And, uh, Aida was there too. And just like they talked about like, finding your place in the community and things you can do. And it was exactly what I needed. Like, I, I hadn’t, I hadn’t expressed to anybody how I was like feeling or what I needed and like they gave it to me. So that was probably my most memorable experience and why I’m still in the community. And I got another software development job, <laugh>.

Speaker 1 00:13:08 I love it. And I mean, I, I can tell you as a a million times over how much I love that you’re in the community. Um, and I think that we have those like aha pivotal moments. You know, maybe not every single one is the angels descending upon us kind of thing. But we do have those that we can look at and we can point back to and we can say, this is when I felt loved or wanted, or this is when I learned something that really made a difference to me. Um, and I, and I’m gonna tell you at Word Camp us last year in 2022, you getting excited to meet me was one of those moments for me because I was excited to meet you <laugh>. And like, I think we just had this like weird moment where we’re both fangirling over each other and it was so much fun. Um, oh my God,

Speaker 2 00:13:54 <laugh>.

Speaker 1 00:13:55 And then we got to spend time together in Asia, and then of course, this year. And, um, you know, there are probably a handful of people in the WordPress community who I text on my phone and I have phone numbers for. And I’m so grateful that I’m never gonna give your, I’m not gonna like publish your phone number, of course, but <laugh>, but where I can text you and like as soon as you see it, you text me right back. And that just makes me happy. So thank you for what you do in the WordPress community. For sure. Thank

Orador 2 00:14:19 Usted. Es un honor

Speaker 1 00:14:20 <laugh>. Uh, likewise. Likewise. Um, yeah. So let’s talk a little bit about development. Like you, I do the, uh, I do the, like the outside of development things, like, I, like, I’ll help you sell a plugin. I will you promote people in the community. I’ll do all those kind of things. And I do <laugh>. I do have a plugin in the repository, but I can’t really call myself a developer because it’s,

Orador 2 00:14:43 Se puede,

Speaker 1 00:14:44 Well, um, okay, maybe this, this much of a, this much <laugh>, but let’s try turn a little bit. But, um, but yeah, I am constantly just in awe of the fact that developers, like you can type a bunch of what looks like math equations and Greek and everything else. And then like all of the sudden this wonderful things happen. It’s like, when I was a kid, I couldn’t understand how a piece of vinyl could go around in a million circles and I could hear Olivia Newton John sing to me. Like, I’m mystified by all those kinds of things. So tell me a little bit more about, um, what you do as far as development. Are you working on plugins? Are you working on websites? Like, just kind of, you know, lay it down for us.

Speaker 2 00:15:27 Yeah, so I work primarily on websites, building them for people, uh, or helping people with existing websites. Um, and <laugh>, it’s, it’s, I thought the same thing before I got into, uh, web development. I was like, ’cause I, I learned how to code, but I didn’t necessarily want to do web development at first. I actually wanted to, um, build iPhone apps. And now that seems so wild. It, it, it, it was strange for me to say that. Like, I was like, why did I wanna do that? But, um, <laugh>, um, I was in a similar, similar place where I felt the same, but I get to, uh, I work with websites. I am trying to dip my toes into plugins because they’re so fascinating to me. Also, um, I’m doing my own, creating my own blocks. I’m not a designer and I don’t have, like, I’m not an artist. Like, if you don’t tell me how you want your colors and everything like that, it’s going to look terrible, but it’s going to work ’cause I can make it work <laugh>. So, um, I work, uh, dabbling in plugin soon, uh, web development building sites, troubleshooting. I love fixing problems for some reason. So <laugh>, that’s what I do.

Orador 1 00:16:33 ¿Eres uno de esos cazadores de bichos? ¿Buscas resolver pro? ¿Eres un solucionador de problemas? ¿Ese tipo de cosas?

Speaker 2 00:16:40 I want to be, but not in the sense of web development. I would like to actually get into down the line hacking and finding books that way. That’s, that’s something I’ve been very interested in. My first, when I first got into tech, I wanted to do cybersecurity, but Oh, cool. I didn’t, but I’m gonna revisit it. <laugh>,

Orador 1 00:16:57 No te culpo. Suena como, me acuerdo de algunas de las películas a principios de los días de la web, como la red con Sandra Bullock y como zapatillas de deporte donde estaban como todos estos hacker tipo de cosas. Y es como, parecía tan, como, hasta el punto de que cuando llegué por primera vez en la web por primera vez que estaba trabajando, caramba, que era 1990. Sí, 1993, creo que 94. Yo estaba trabajando en una universidad y fue la primera vez que nos dieron nuevas computadoras y como si hubiera esta cosa llamada Internet de repente que la gente podía conectarse. Y porque estábamos, estábamos en un entorno de trabajo, no tenía que marcar, no había conexión a o l, como ese tipo de cosas. Era mainframe y todo ese tipo de cosas. Así que recuerdo como, ellos estaban como, el Internet está aquí, puedes navegar por la web. Y yo estaba como, no sé qué buscar. Ni siquiera lo sabía. Así que vivo en Rochester, Nueva York. Yo estaba como, bueno, voy a look@kodak.com entonces voy a ver si Kodak existe. Por supuesto que existía. Y hice clic a través de y miré a otra página y le di al botón de atrás y el enlace que había hecho clic pasó de púrpura a amarillo. Y yo estaba como, oh Dios mío, van a saber que yo estaba allí porque

Speaker 3 00:18:04 The link, that page <laugh>,

Orador 1 00:18:08 Pero quiero decir, fue en el 93, ¿verdad? Como que fue hace mucho tiempo. Así que

Speaker 3 00:18:13 <laugh>

Speaker 1 00:18:13 It’s funny, I agree. But it was, but like, that was the first time that I was realizing that people can see what you do on the web. And so the idea that, you know, that this hacker, um, culture exists for good or bad, right? Because there are good hackers for sure. Um, understand, you can’t understand security until you, you know, you don’t know how to lock a door or make sure a house is locked up and that your locks are gonna work if you, the locksmith can’t figure out how to break into it too. So that makes perfect sense, <laugh>. So, you know, so when you do start hacking, um, just stay away from my, my website’s. Okay. <laugh>.

Orador 2 00:18:47 Entendido. Um, no quiero ser como, ¿qué está pasando en Las Vegas en este momento? ¿Has oído hablar de eso? ¿Los hackers en Las Vegas? No,

Orador 1 00:18:52 Cuente

Orador 2 00:18:52 Yo. Dios mío. Mira esto. Los hackers han tomado el control de como, um, la información de seguridad de los hoteles M G M. Oh, wow. Y ya sabes, M G M posee como un montón de cosas en, um, Las Vegas. Dicen que la mitad del Strip está cerrado, cajeros automáticos, máquinas, hoteles. Guau. Miralo. Búscalo.

Speaker 1 00:19:11 I, as soon as we’re done here, I’m gonna be looking that up for sure. They’ll probably know that I looked it up though. I mean, <laugh>

Speaker 3 00:19:17 <laugh>, I had

Speaker 2 00:19:19 A rumor that they actually were paying all, they paid some of the hackers some money, and I was like, oh my God, are you serious? And I’m sitting here like, I typed install wrong today. And like my terminal was like, are you sure about this? And I’m like, oh my God, I’m going to go hack <laugh>

Speaker 1 00:19:34 <laugh>. It’s so funny. Oh my gosh. Yeah. You just never know there’s something going on in the world all the time. And security is definitely an important thing. Um, and I know that people in the past have said like, you know, even <laugh>, like I once built a website that doesn’t exist anymore. His business doesn’t exist anymore, but I built lily’s poop patrol.com and it was a <laugh>, a guy who would go to your house and pick up all your dog crap in your yard. So like, you know, and I said, oh, you know, I build with word with WordPress. And he is like, I heard that’s not secure. I’m like, okay, it’s a brochure site. Nobody’s doing any, they’re paying you through your website. And now I can say, well, NASA and the, and like the White House are on, on WordPress, so it must be pretty secure. Hmm. I came up with the, we’re number one for your dog’s. Number two. That was my favorite line for that. <laugh>.

Speaker 3 00:20:22 I love that. <laugh>,

Orador 2 00:20:25 Por favor, tráelo, tráelo de vuelta. Tráelo un día.

Speaker 1 00:20:27 I know. Like, where are you, grant? Let’s, let’s do Lily’s Poop Patrol again. <laugh>. Let me move on into our rapid fire questions. I will ask them rapidly. You take all the time you need to answer them. Um, but here we go. Okay. So what are two to three must have plugins that you would recommend to somebody building their own website?

Speaker 2 00:20:44 Query Monitor is one, and Code snippets is another. Uh, reason being, especially now with sites going to F ss e or full site editing, you’re going to want to have query monitor so you’ll know <laugh> which templates you’re using. Especially if you’re doing cust you’re, if you’re creating custom templates in full site editing, that code does not live. Um, oh my God. It doesn’t live in your files anymore, which is, I’m sorry if I’m saying this wrong. I’m, I’m a developer, I promise the code actually lives in the database now. And <laugh> I’ve already run into issues that I’ve kind of fixed, um, around that. So you wanna have, if you’re having a template pool issue, you are want to have query monitor, you’ll want to have it in general, but it’s definitely gonna be good for f s e code. Snippets again, might be really good for F S E if you need to play around with your functions, that p h p file, but you, maybe you don’t have a s uh, FileZilla or a way to get to the files. Why not play around with the code snippets? See if it’ll work before you even go in there and tamper around with the, and edit the file. So those are my two favorite ones. I’m very careful. I break stuff easily. So <laugh>

Speaker 1 00:21:47 <laugh> makes sense. And so that third one makes sense. The third one would be make sure that your site is always backed up, <laugh>?

Speaker 2 00:21:53 Yes, yes. Please, please use a backup plugin <laugh>,

Speaker 1 00:21:56 Use a back and plugin and only edit the staging <laugh>.

Speaker 2 00:22:00 Yes. Especially if you let me get in your site. I’m gonna say, Hey, back this up. <laugh>.

Speaker 1 00:22:05 Right. Well, when we work together in the future, I’m gonna make sure that I’ve got a staging site set up just for you. <laugh>, please.

Speaker 2 00:22:10 <laugh>,

Ponente 1 00:22:12 En algún momento de tu viaje por WordPress y la codificación, ¿has tenido un mentor, ya sea un mentor oficial o alguien a quien simplemente admiraras y emularas, tal vez alguien que te tomara un poco bajo su ala? Si es así, ¿quién fue?

Speaker 2 00:22:26 Yeah, so I have two mentors that I am fortunate enough to still get to work with. Um, the first one I met was Kenneth, uh, Elliot. And Kenneth does stuff in the community. He was actually a organizer at work camp US and, um, of work m p s. He was not there. Um, I met him at a Google, a Google Google Developers conference, and we started talking and he was like, Hey, you ever done any WordPress work? And, um, he and Chambe don’t know this, and I don’t know if they’re gonna watch this. I knew what WordPress was when I met them. They always say, oh, now I shouldn’t know what WordPress was. I, I knew what WordPress was. I had a blog, um, <laugh> back in college. Um, but I had always heard that I shouldn’t work in WordPress and I didn’t want to like say that to him.

Speaker 2 00:23:10 So I was like, no, what’s that? And he was like, oh, yeah, we, we should talk about it. And then when it was time for me, I knew how to, I knew how to code at the PO at this point, and I knew P H P and he introduced me to Sean Broom, which was my other mentor, and she gave me my first web development job. I did freelance work under her, and she taught me WordPress. And she also asked me what WordPress was. And I was like, what’s that? And like, I’m ashamed to admit it to them. I, I admit I’ve admitted it on like other podcasts, but I don’t think they’ve listened. <laugh>, I knew what WordPress was, but I was so scared of WordPress. I had never heard anything positive about it, <laugh>. And then, um, but that’s because I was taught, I was listening to people who were, who didn’t use WordPress. Yeah. So they took me over their wing

Orador 1 00:23:50 Y me aseguraré de que escuchen este episodio, no te preocupes.

Speaker 2 00:23:53 Oh, thank you <laugh>. I’m like, what? <laugh>. But yeah, they, they both taught me WordPress development and that’s how I, that’s how I got into WordPress. Um, my first job wasn’t WordPress, my first full-time job. It was actually database work for the state of South Carolina. But, uh, I got my part-time job and then it became my full-time job until a few months ago. So I had it for years and it’s thanks to them. And now I get to host the Columbia South Carolina WordPress meetup with them.

Speaker 1 00:24:19 I love it. And I know both of them and they are just amazing people. Absolutely. And I, I got to meet Shabi for the first time in Washington, so it was pretty cool to get to give her a hug and, uh, to really read her. So that was pretty cool, for sure. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Okay, so you can’t mention Ken or Shabi in this next question ’cause you know, we gotta bring more people into it. So who is somebody that you admire in the WordPress community and why?

Speaker 2 00:24:44 When people ask me this, I always say Michelle. So I can’t say you either. I know <laugh>, I was narrowing down, taking away all my people,

Speaker 1 00:24:50 But thank you. But thank you <laugh>.

Speaker 2 00:24:52 Of course. Um, I really admire say re um, if you don’t know, say she’s also a co-marketing rep. She’s been in the WordPress community for years and she does so much for the project and she’s so passionate for the project and the energy, energy she brings makes you wanna be passionate for the project. And along with you, Michelle and a few other people, she’s the reason why I’m still in the community, honestly. Um, there’s a lot of people in the community and you could, and it’s okay, I’m not judging <laugh> people by what I say. It’s a lot of people in here. They’re just about money. And that’s fine. There’s people there in the community, they’re just about money. And they’ll tell you it’s people that won’t tell you and they’re about money and they’re about what you can do for them. They don’t really care about you or that’s how it seems.

Speaker 2 00:25:39 And, um, if you’re new to the community or you’re somebody navigating it alone, it can be hard to distinguish between those people. It was hard for me when I blew up, I guess on Master and people were asking me who I was and I was like, I’m not Asia <laugh>, that’s it. But, um, say is somebody who, she puts her money where her mouth is, she is a part of the W P C C is trying to get contributors paid, trying to get more people into the project and trying to keep people here. And, um, she’s amazing and she’s somebody I really look up to.

Speaker 1 00:26:14 Yeah. I, I’ll, I’ll, um, I’ll say I agree with that 100%. I think she also may be the only person in more press who talks faster than I do. <laugh>. She’s <laugh> and I think it’s because her energy, like she just has so much energy, it has to go out really fast. Um, but yeah, I agree. And, uh, meeting her last year at work camp US was also, um, very exciting for me. So, um, yeah, a hundred percent. I’m right behind you with that one as well. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we agree on a lot of things, you and I mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So <laugh>, what’s something that you still want to learn in WordPress but that maybe you haven’t tackled yet?

Speaker 2 00:26:49 Oh my gosh, <laugh>. Um, I wanna learn how to build plugins. I wanna learn how to do, um, use, what is it? Oh God, I wanna mess up. Is it Insta, wp?

Orador 1 00:27:05 Bueno, eso hace girar la web muy rápido. Esos sitios que puedes hacer girar.

Speaker 2 00:27:07 Yep. Yes. I wanna learn that. Um, I wanna learn how to create my own theme. I mean, I know how to do it, but I’m not creative. So I guess I’m gonna learn more ui ux work that I can integrate into WordPress. Um, I wanna learn how to start my own company. I, when I keep, I keep saying this to people and they keep thinking like freelance web development. I don’t wanna start my own freelance web development company. I do some freelancing on the side now mm-hmm. <affirmative> for money. I, I love to keep it like that. I want my own, not that type of company business. And I just wanna learn just more different ways people develop. Um, I’m already learning different ways now at my new job, um, just in the first few weeks. Um, just knowing the different ways that different people do stuff and knowing that it’s so many ways. I’m like, okay, that’s why we’re always so confused, but

Speaker 1 00:27:54 <laugh> <laugh>,

Orador 2 00:27:56 Quiero aprender más formas de desarrollo, quiero contribuir más. Quiero aprender cómo construir plugins de préstamo. Es tanto.

Speaker 1 00:28:02 Yeah, I agree. And I think it’s interesting, you, you bring up a po a point that like if you ask any group of WordPresses any question, you are not gonna get everybody to say the same answer. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like, my favorite thing is like in a meetup when somebody says, you know, they’re new and like, who’s the best hosting company? 10 people have 10 different answers. Who’s the best form plugin? 10 people have 10 different answers. <laugh>. Like, it’s, it just look my, it depends, right? The answer is always, it depends, but mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, figuring out what works for you is what’s important for sure. <laugh>.

Speaker 2 00:28:31 Yes. <laugh>.

Ponente 1 00:28:33 ¿Cuál es uno de los mayores errores que has cometido en WordPress y qué aprendiste de él?

Speaker 2 00:28:40 So <laugh>, when you say mistake, do you mean like, in development or like,

Speaker 1 00:28:47 Whatever you wanna say. It’s been interesting. So just to give you a little background story here. Um, like my, one of my biggest mistakes was not understanding that WordPress doesn’t F t p the same way that like H T M L sites could F T P. So I built an entire site Oh, tried to F T P it someplace else. And of course it didn’t work and I didn’t know how to fix it and how to port it. And this is way back in 2012, I think. And so I literally stayed up all night and rebuilt that site from scratch because I had no idea. So that was a mistake. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, Chris Wigman came on the show and he, and he was working <laugh>, a web hosting company and killed 23,000 websites in a single blow that took three days to get back up. So it could be anything from, I didn’t know how that worked to, oh Poo. I just like, took down half of the internet. So whatever.

Speaker 2 00:29:35 <laugh>, I am very fortunate to never have made a huge mistake that I know of. Um, I’m gonna say one time, I always think about this one time, um, I did a bunch of changes on a site. Um, this is my first time ’cause my web development, that was, that’s a, this is a big disconnect for me. My web development in WordPress was not the same as working for an agency as it was freelance. I didn’t know anything about gulp. I didn’t know anything about Webpac and things like that. Like I did all the work on the staging and then I pushed it, pushed it to production mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I was, uh, pulling from WP Engine down to my computer and pushing it back up for the first time a couple years ago. And <laugh> I went to, I did all these changes to the site and I was so happy and I did it and I did my best anyone for help. And I felt like the woman and I was like, yeah, look at me. Go me. And I think it was like Friday too and I was about to get off and I went to push my changes up, but I didn’t push them. I pulled and I pulled the website and deleted all of my changes.

Orador 1 00:30:45 Oh no. Puedo sentir tu dolor. Oh no.

Speaker 2 00:30:49 It <laugh>. Luckily I had been, um, sometimes if I see like a book that’s kind of crazy and I wanna revisit, I’ll save some of the code and like I’ll compress it and like throw it on my, um, external drive. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, luckily, like I had about half of the changes ’cause like halfway through I wanted to save something, I just save the copy. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But yeah, it’s still like, that was something I was supposed to end that Friday and it carried on into next week. And I always, anytime I’m pushing and pulling now I had to do it today I had to pull a new site ’cause I was, uh, pulling some sites to my local. I was like, lemme make sure I don’t push <laugh> a blank install and wipe

Speaker 1 00:31:24 This site out. <laugh>. Yeah.

Orador 2 00:31:30 Así que, sí. Eso, eso es todo.

Speaker 1 00:31:32 Uh, yeah. That’s a good one. I like that one. That’s good. And then, and but we do learn, right? So now we learn now, you know, double check <laugh>. Oh yeah. Push those buttons for sure. Well, let’s talk about the opposite of that. What is your proudest WordPress moment? Wow. <laugh>, or one of ’em is the

Ponente 2 00:31:52 WordPress. Um, mi momento más orgulloso WordPress fue conseguir contratado en LinkedIn aprendizaje como instructor. Um, el pasado, voy a decir un año y medio, he tenido lo peor y sólo ha empeorado. Síndrome del impostor. Y es como, yo no podía entenderlo porque yo estaba como, yo sé, yo sé cómo codificar y yo no me sentía como si yo fuera lo suficientemente bueno desarrollador de WordPress. Y me animaron tantas veces a probar para LinkedIn y como, yo seguía como, yo estaba tan nervioso. Yo estaba como, oh sí, lo haré. Y entonces yo, yo sólo sabía que no lo haría, y luego estaban como, usted necesita ponerse en contacto con ellos porque quieren hablar con usted. Y yo estaba como, oh, yo no quiero hacerlo. Y um, cuando me app, cuando solicité LinkedIn, es todo un proceso que no voy a entrar.

Speaker 2 00:32:39 Um, I was told that my first audition video, they were like, 95% of people have to do ’em over. So don’t, don’t worry, don’t stress yourself out. Be natural. If you have to do it over, we’ll give you feedback and you’ll do it over. And I’m like, okay, I’m not that good of a developer. I kind of know what I’m talking about. I’m probably gonna have to do it over. And so I sent in my audition then, uh, the next morning they wrote me back and said, oh, this is great. You don’t have to do this over, we’re gonna send this over. Ooh. And I got the job. <laugh>. That’s,

Orador 1 00:33:08 Eso es impresionante.

Speaker 2 00:33:08 Awesome. So that’s my proudest moment. Yeah. I felt it’s imposter syndrome is rough and it’s us. It’s just us on hard on ourselves. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. And they were like, yeah, like, we’ll give you money, talk to us, teach us. And I’m like, me. And they’re like, can’t you? I’m like, well, LinkedIn and Microsoft are saying this, then maybe I’m okay. I’m an okay developer. <laugh>,

Speaker 1 00:33:32 I think. Yeah. That’s awesome. I love that. That is, I mean that’s really good. And, and it’s just, it’s, it’s good to have that kind of feedback, especially if you do have imposter syndrome. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and, and everybody has it from time to time. And when you’ve gone through some rough patches or whatever, that’s when it’s like rears its ugly head and makes you feel like you can’t do. And so to have that kind of feedback, especially like almost immediate, like mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that’s good. That helps, you know, you’re in the right place and you’re doing the right thing. So yeah. I’m happy for you. That’s awesome. Thank you. Um, now if you weren’t working in web or technology, what’s another career that you might like to attempt?

Speaker 2 00:34:11 Sugar Baby. I’m just kidding. <laugh>. <laugh>.

Speaker 1 00:34:15 <laugh>. I’ll honestly say you’re the first person to ever give that answer on the show. <laugh>.

Orador 2 00:34:22 Yo, eh, debería, eso es algo que debería haber mirado cuando estaba aprendiendo a hacer frío, pero, um, yo,

Speaker 1 00:34:27 I gotta mute myself so I can keep laughing while you tell us the real answer. <laugh>.

Speaker 2 00:34:34 Oh man. Oh, <laugh>. I honestly, so what’s funny is when people ask me this question, it’s actually something that I was going to do before I got into tech. So I used to work in the insurance industry. That’s what I did after college. I was a saleswoman. That’s why I’m, I I’m really good at marketing, marketing rep. Um, I was a saleswoman and I was really good at it, but I was working in the insurance industry and it was one of the worst industries I think you can ever work in, um, in rural South Carolina too. Okay. I was in the capital in rural but South Carolina. And, uh, I said I couldn’t do this anymore and I was looking for other stuff to do and so I was going to become a teacher. Uh, I was gonna teach English overseas and, um, <laugh>, that was another one.

Speaker 2 00:35:20 I was worried ’cause I was, I was very educated. I’m, I’m a college grad, I’m kind of smart <laugh>. I was like, I could do this. And, uh, I was just worried about my southern accent ’cause they didn’t want you to have a southern accent. And my accent was a little bit more southern then. But, um, I got accepted to teach in China, Vietnam, and Japan. And I was going to do it. And I just love, I love traveling. I wanted to leave the country. I wanted to travel, I wanted to do something new. I wanted to meet new people. I wanted to learn new languages, eat new food. And that was the way I could do it. And also help people and give back. So I didn’t do it. I got married and then I got into tech. But if I ever left Tech, I would pick up a suitcase and live out of that suitcase traveling the world, teaching people English and learning their languages as well.

Orador 1 00:36:10 Me encanta. Bien. Así que pasaste de Sugar Baby, que me hizo reír, a ahora quiero llorar porque es tan dulce.

Speaker 2 00:36:16 Oh, <laugh> The sugar baby wasn’t sweet.

Speaker 1 00:36:20 I mean, in a different kind of way. <laugh> in a, in a laugh not cry kind of way. Yeah, for sure. <laugh>. <laugh>. Okay. So I’m gonna, I’m gonna give you another caveat to the next question. ’cause you just talked about wanting to travel in that kind of thing. So travel can’t be your answer to the next question, so you gotta think of a different one. Okay. But what, what is something on your bucket list?

Orador 2 00:36:41 Una cosa de mi lista de deseos. Quiero ser capaz de hablar cinco idiomas con fluidez.

Orador 1 00:36:46 Ooh.

Orador 2 00:36:47 Antes que yo.

Orador 1 00:36:48 ¿Cuántos tiene ahora? Tierra.

Orador 2 00:36:50 Hablo inglés y español. Actualmente estoy aprendiendo coreano, japonés, mandarín y francés.

Speaker 1 00:36:58 Wow. I know. A little Spanish and a little French. And hats off to the rest of those for you. <laugh> <laugh>.

Orador 2 00:37:05 La mejor respuesta. Siempre recibo personas son como, ¿qué? Usted,

Orador 1 00:37:08 En algún momento podrás hacer un podcast multilingüe. Sería genial.

Speaker 2 00:37:12 I would love that. <laugh>.

Orador 1 00:37:14 Sería genial. Por supuesto. Bien. Muéstranos o háblanos de un talento oculto que tengas y que la comunidad de WordPress quizás no conozca.

Speaker 2 00:37:23 I do not have any hidden talents, but something really cool. One of my data nerd friends told me this and I didn’t believe it. ’cause it’s just something I didn’t think about. People might be like, why didn’t you believe it? Um, so I am six foot two. I am American. I’m American woman. Six foot two. I am taller than 99% of all other American women. And I think 90 it was, I can’t remember the men. I’m, I’m taller than also 90 something percent of the men too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I am one of the, if you’ve met me and you’ve been around me and we’ve hang, hung out, you’ve been around one of the tallest women in the United States. And that is so crazy to me. That’s because <laugh>, I know I’m tall, but I’m like, dang. Like there are people taller than me. They’re W N B A players and models, but then you think about 300 million Americans <laugh>. I’m like, okay, yeah. I I get it. I’m in the 1%. That’s the, the closest I’m gonna get to the 1%. We make that joke too.

Speaker 1 00:38:21 So <laugh> the 1%. So I’m only five feet tall and most of the time I’m sitting on a scooter. So I’m shorter even. So, so everybody’s tall to me. My daughter’s five foot six. You’re six foot two. And I honestly thought you were guys were about the same height because I look up, literally look up to everybody. So, um, so now I had no idea you were that tall, even though I’ve been in your presence very many times. <laugh> <laugh>. There’s something new every day. That’s so funny. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, is there anything else you wanna talk about or tell us about before we get to that last question about how we find you online, et cetera? Have I skipped anything that you wanted to say?

Orador 2 00:38:57 Uh, no lo sé. Yo sólo, eh, vamos a estar juntos pronto, como Sí. A finales de mes para Work Camp Rochester. Así que estoy keynoting Work Camp Rochester y tengo que ser, estoy emocionado. Emocionado. Oh, estoy tan feliz. Sí. Eso es como, estoy como trabajando en endurecer todo. Porque yo soy como, oh, eso va a ser mi, oh, tengo que estar con Michelle al final del mes. Así que sí, deberías vernos en el Work Camp Rochester. Va a ser muy divertido. Soy una persona muy divertida.

Orador 1 00:39:22 Vamos a comer platos de basura y cualquiera que esté escuchando que no sea de por aquí no es un aficionado a la comida. no tiene ni idea de lo que es un plato de basura. Todo lo que tengo que decir es que podría contarte cómo es, pero realmente tienes que buscarlo en Google para ver las fotos, leer sobre ello, para entender la experiencia completa. Pero lo es, es una buena cura para la resaca. También se llama un ataque al corazón en un plato, pero también es como tan freaking bueno. Así que vamos a conseguir platos de basura mientras estás aquí seguro. Sí.

Speaker 2 00:39:46 I cannot wait. <laugh>.

Ponente 1 00:39:48 ¿Cómo te encuentra la gente? Si te buscan en Internet o en tu sitio web, quizá en las redes sociales. Danos un par de formas de que la gente se ponga en contacto contigo.

Speaker 2 00:39:55 Yeah, you can, uh, check out my website. I am redoing it. I am building it in fse full site editing. So, you know, pray for me <laugh>, um, www.Nayashagreen.com. You can also find me on Twitter. I’m at N NYCoRE, the creator. Um, where else can you find me? Oh yeah, I’m not in that many places anymore. Am I I’m you’re

Orador 1 00:40:20 Probablemente será LinkedIn. Sí, iba a decir

Orador 2 00:40:22 Soy, oh sí, soy instructor de LinkedIn. Tengo un curso a punto de salir. Por favor, echa un vistazo a mi curso. Sólo mira. Ni siquiera tengo que, yo, me gustaría si lo ves y como tomar en la información, pero sólo como jugar en el fondo donde se está cocinando o algo así. Al igual que acaba de obtener

Speaker 1 00:40:33 <laugh>. Let’s get those views up there. That’s right. For sure.

Speaker 2 00:40:35 So I don’t have to sugar baby <laugh> <laugh>.

Speaker 1 00:40:39 Oh my gosh. Así que si usted está escuchando esto, um, ir a WP café talk.com, encontró Nayasha's, encontrar Nayasha's episodio. Tendremos los enlaces a todas esas cosas allí. Así que usted no tiene que gustar, los han escrito. Usted no tiene que rebobinar y encontrarlos. Los tendréis todos en wpcoffeetalk.com. Nayasha, muchas gracias por tomarte un tiempo de tu tarde para estar conmigo y así poder presentarte a más gente en el mundo. Um, realmente lo aprecio y estoy deseando verte en persona pronto también. Así que gracias por estar aquí.

Orador 2 00:41:08 Gracias.

Orador 1 00:41:09 Bienvenidos y todos los demás, nos vemos en el próximo episodio de WPCoffeeTalk, donde no sé quién va a ser y no sé dónde van a estar, pero nos vamos a divertir. Así que nos vemos entonces.